mrsandbags
If you look at the attached screenshot. I am looking at Expanded view on a Dell 24" monitor at 1920x1200. The related links off to the right are barely distinguishable.

Now I can raise the font size. But every time I do so I mutter a dark curse as EVERYTHING gets resized. And, in any case, the consequence of the font being bigger is that there is less shown where I want to see MORE detail.

I don't know what the solution is but it occurred to me as I was mousing over it that a type of "lens" tool (where you press a key and the area in the region of the mouse is "zoomed in" as an overlay) could allow you to see the overview with the small font, but have the ability to read some of the detail when exploring the map.

screenshot.pngAnother alternative, I guess, could be to buy a 27" LG/Apple 5K monitor with 5120x2880 resolution. Sadly, I don't have £1,200 to drop on a monitor right now!

Other solutions welcome.

Matt
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As an aside I really do not understand who the current approach to UI font-size/font-design is meant to appeal to. As an approach to the UI of a dense information comprehension tool it seems perilously misguided to me and every time I think about it I scratch my head and wonder for whom this works?
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Very much like the idea of a "lens" tool.

As you think about this, how would this lens be similar to (and different from) a "hoist" function?
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metta wrote:
Very much like the idea of a "lens" tool.

As you think about this, how would this lens be similar to (and different from) a "hoist" function?


Tell me what a "hoist function" means in this context and I'll try and tell you :-)

I understand hoisting from outliners but I suspect you are getting at something else…

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Didn't mean anything more esoteric than outline hoisting.

In the context of outlining, the hoist obviously makes it easier to zoom in and focus on a specific area of the outline.

However, with the zoom lens you've proposed, I suspected you wanted something more....Specifically, zooming (focusing) within a larger (still visible) context?

Is that what you are getting at here? 

Also, are there any specific navigation features (options) you'd like to have while the "zoom" lens is active?
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Right, you have it, this is not about narrowing but about being able to see the detail in context.

So, in the context of "Thinkers 50, Rankings, 45" (the centred thought in my screenshot) there are related thoughts that are a spiders web. If I could mouse over and, say, hit Ctrl and have that whole area zoomed and stay zoomed as I moused over different parts. I think that would make it easier to explore the map while remaining in context.

As to other features, hrmm, I'm not sure. I guess being able to widen or narrow the focus of the zoom might be an obvious one. Beyond that I think I would have to play with it.

It may be relevant to mention that I have little to no visual imagination (a condition called Aphantasia) so it's often hard for me to picture/play with something i can't actually see right in front of me.

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In the screenshot, you've clicked a link, which by design makes the link and the two thoughts more visible, and everything else on the plex more transparent (and thus harder to see).

As far as the rest, why not switch into outline view or mind map view? That way you can move the area around and expand/contract areas you don't care to see right then.
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zenrain wrote:
In the screenshot, you've clicked a link, which by design makes the link and the two thoughts more visible, and everything else on the plex more transparent.


True, but if I take another example where I haven't the point still stands for me:

screenshot.pngI like the detail, I just want to be able to explore it better.

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First thing I would do is make the link color a mid-greytone.

This highlights the thoughts, but still allows me to see the links. When the links stand out that much I find they do distract when there are a lot of thoughts in the plex.

I'd still also recommend experimenting with outline and mindmap view also. 😉
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Oh, also, when there's a large amount of info on the screen, try getting out of expanded view and into regular view. That reduces visual noise also.

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mrsandbags
Changing the link colour does help a little, thanks.

But the point is that this stuff is not noise. I don't want less on screen, I want more. That stuff is the context. My problem is getting as much onto screen as possible AND allowing me to actually see it.

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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I arrange my data so in my important areas I have just what I need and nothing more, so it's more targeted. I can see the use case for needing to see a lot presented on the screen at the same time though. Hopefully in the future they can find ways to accommodate more data dense distributions. I think maybe just a setting to reduce thought link distance could help.
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Matt,

I like the naming convention of "lens tool."  We have this idea documented as "Zoom/Expand on hover" and will be considered as a feature for a future build.

Thank you,
Matt
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Thanks Matt.
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