mrsandbags
I really hoped you would not go RC with the notes editor in this condition.

How you can think that a single font size (since it determines the relative font size of the styles) is a reasonable position baffles me.

But then doing this for the font-size of the main UI both baffles and annoys the living daylights out of me also!

No ability to edit the styles, no multiple fonts, no tables, less than stellar performance.

I'm disappointed that you seem to think this editor is ready for prime time.
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grahamrhind
I'm afraid I couldn't agree more.  I find the current notes editor unusable for my purposes and a huge step back from previous versions.
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Cerebrum

I agree. 

I tried using Notes to compose this post and I had four weird things happen:

  1. I changed the style of the first paragraph and it changed the second paragraph as well.
  2. I tried adding a line before the first paragraph (more than once) and it seemed that it wasn't working but, actually, it did work: The top of the paragraph was immediately below the toolbar and the text didn't shift down when the extra lines were added above it.
  3. I tried selecting a block of text with my mouse and the selection got stuck: I couldn't extend the selection to include other text.
  4. I copied and pasted from a website and, when I clicked in the pasted text, I couldn't change the style.

Also, there's no way of changing the font for specific words or phrases. It is not against the law to have two fonts on a page. ÃƒÆ’°Å¸ËœÂ² Take a look at these websites: The New YorkerThe Atlantic, and The Purdue OWL: Chicago Manual 17th Edition.

And, when I copy and paste from other sources, I get unpredictable results.
For example, here's a screen capture of what happened when I copied and pasted Matt's post:

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Moltaire
It's sad to see TheBrain shoot themselves in the foot over and over again because they plan their development internally instead of sourcing the crowd. If they had asked users what they wanted version 9 would actually serve users' needs instead of the creator's vision.
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mrsandbags

I'll also add that undo is broken.

I pasted some text into the notes for a thought. It came in styled which I didn't want. I hit Cmd+Z and, nothing.

I'll further add that an option to "Paste and match style" seems to be missing.

This thing is half-baked.

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zenrain
Right click > Paste and Match format. Or cmd + shift + v
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mrsandbags
Thanks zenrain, I just noticed it's in the context menu. But, for some reason, they didn't put it in the Edit menu.
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rustyedges
Pretty much agree with this sentiment.  Furthermore, I'd like there to be the option from v8 to always paste notes as text.  When I forget to use Ctrl+Shift+V, anything pasted from email typically locks up editor and sometimes crashes brain, either way requiring a restart.

As I'm typing this, I suppose a workaround for myself and others would be to switch around the keyboard shortcuts so Ctrl+V is "paste and match format"
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zenrain
+ 1 to the always paste as text. 

As to the sentiment... I'm actually very happy with notes. For my workflow (basically just wanting to get text down and have it look nice and functional) it works far better then the prior versions (although I'm still waiting for table support). /shrug
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ruudhein
2 cents.

For what and how I use the editor, it does the job. It's at the very least adequate, goes beyond plain text, and has some rich formatting options.

It feels/looks like the editor is built on webkit as well, I think. They went a lot further with the editor but it's not without problems; the forum has a fair amount of complaints. The common camps there divide between "Evernote doesn't know what it's doing and if they don't listen to their users they will die a horrible death" and "I use the editor for what it is and if I need more, I open a word processor". I'm in between with "it's good enough", as I am with this editor.

A problem here is, or could be, that TheBrain has a core value with added features. Think the way the calendar/events/reminders work, or the rich text editor, or the built-in browser, etc. And we want all of those added features to work as well, and be as functional, as the standalone applications normally associated with them. Which basically has development of TheBrain's core value clicking further and further away from the home thought. Meanwhile they have to look at their core users, their common ground. Just by being here we're already not the common user 😉 Where it comes to the editor it's my fair bet that most of their users are happy to CTRL B and get bold, CTRL I for italics, maybe highlight something somewhere. Heck, I'm already more than satisfied with that and if I need more, there are so many workarounds.

But as said, that's just my 2 cents.
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metta
I've previously expressed my disappointment with the current limitations in TB9 notes editor, so I won't belabor the details again here.

However, my main concern is that we've lost many of the notes features that were available in TB8 -- features that I still rely on in my daily use of TheBrain.

In fact, the absence of these TB8 notes features, in particular, is one of the main reasons I have not yet moved my daily use of TheBrain from TB8 into TB9.
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mcaton
Thank you all for the feedback on the v9 Notes editor.  TheBrain 9 Notes are intended to be used for a quick capture of thoughts and ideas.  We focused on the ability to quickly and easily add consistent notes throughout a Brain.  For more complex text and formatting options, a file attachment may be the right solution. 

We've documented the requests posted here for plain text, markup, tables, fonts, etc.  We do plan on further Note development in the future which may bring these options.

Thank you,
Matt
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mrsandbags
Hi Matt.

I don't wish to belabour the topic too far, esp. given you mention planned further development, but I feel I have to respond to this.

If you had simply implemented a plain text area I could buy the notion that Notes are purely "quick capture of thoughts and ideas" without any complexity.

But since there are styles, inline images, lists, background colours, etc.. etc.. asking for the ability to choose a different font for headings & body (which is typographically important) seems less "added complexity" so much as "finishing a job half done".

I don't believe having to step out to another app simply to be able to make sound typographical choices is the right answer.

Thanks.

Matt
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zenrain
It sounds like you are saying that because they added the ability to set some simple styles and add images, therefore they should make it a full word processor instead. 

That is quite a leap. There are trade offs and multiple platforms as well as a web platform that must be thought about. There was a recent thread about creating clean html, something that certainly couldn’t happen with the addition of font sizes and choice. It’s a balancing act. 
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mrsandbags
zenrain wrote:
It sounds like you are saying that because they added the ability to set some simple styles and add images, therefore they should make it a full text editor instead. 

That is quite a leap. 
“Look, it’s a nice carnival, but since you’ve got some rides I don’t see why you just don’t build Disneyland instead”.


We can all set our point for what is "simple" in different places. But my point is that they have already made it 70% of a full editor so it doesn't seem to me to be quite the leap it seems to you. I mean, come on, it's 2018 and being able to use basic typographic choices is asking for Disneyland?


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