Moltaire
Surely it is not TheBrain that we represent, but TheMind?

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enkidu
Hello there

A tongue-in-cheek provocation like this deserves an answer !

What brought me to mindpapping applications in general was FLEEING "standard" applications.
Let me explain :

- to handle text, you use a wordprocessor
- to handle numbers, you use a spreadsheet
- to handle photos, etcetera
- project management ...
- calendar ...

hence entire categories of specialised applications which, of necessity, force you to format your data to their data model.

I needed an application where I could :
1. "dump" any "idea" (whatever its data type)
2. link any "idea" to any other, non hierarchically
3. view the whole "landscape" as it evolved

I immediately liked TheBrain because of it's handling of points 1 and 2
Where is lacks, in my opinion, and to this day, it's in point 3.

MindMapping cannot just be a database - we have zillions of databases. The "mapping" part is fundamental.
A zoomable view of the map (from tree to entire forest) is fundamental.
  • TheBrain's Expanded view was a step in this direction
  • v9's mindmap view is honestly of little use
Timeline is one of the necessary views, for anyone whose data contains time info.
  • NB : TIMELINE, NOT CALENDAR - calendar is as useless in a mindmapping app, as it is in a project management app, where you need a Gantt chart, NOT a calendar

( aside #1 : the non-hierarchical is fundamental for me : brains associate any-to-any concepts on the fly, without need for categorisation )
( aside #2 : this criterion alone disqualifies - to me - all mindmapping apps which shoehorn you )


All this to say that, in my purist view, I agree with your remark that it is The Mind we need to map !

cheers
enkidu
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Cerebrum
Moltaire wrote: Surely it is not TheBrain that we represent, but TheMind?Well, it depends on your interpretation of mind-brain identity.

Also, it's not really "TheBrain" or "TheMind", it's YourBrain/Mind or MyBrain/Mind, and then we get into the meaning of "You" and "I" ...
[crazy]
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enkidu
Gotta love your Quote: [crazy]  !

cheers
enkidu
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jupdike
enkidu wrote:
I needed an application where I could :
1. "dump" any "idea" (whatever its data type)
2. link any "idea" to any other, non hierarchically
3. view the whole "landscape" as it evolved

I immediately liked TheBrain because of it's handling of points 1 and 2
Where is lacks, in my opinion, and to this day, it's in point 3.

MindMapping cannot just be a database - we have zillions of databases. The "mapping" part is fundamental.
A zoomable view of the map (from tree to entire forest) is fundamental.
TheBrain's Expanded view was a step in this direction
v9's mindmap view is honestly of little use


I find this idea intriguing ("tree to entire forest", viewing the whole landscape) and I wonder what actionable information you could imagine gaining from improvements in TheBrain in this area. Specific use case stories can help us understand what users could do with any such potential improvements in visualization.

Currently, we have Search for when you know exactly what item you are looking for, and what it is called. We have the Reports feature which you can use to drill into narrow areas of your Brain to find stuff you know is there, and we have the different view modes, and the current visualization(s) in general, that let you get 2-D views of slices of your Brain, and the animations give you a sort of 2.5-D view of things as you manually move through your Brain. But all these aspects of TheBrain are very "tree"-focused (i.e. Thought-level) and manual and require a lot of poking and prodding and reading of Thought names.

Can any readers out there help share examples from any domain, fiction or non-fiction, or more helpfully, in video or software form, where information is spatialized in a way that helps show the transition from "tree" to "forest", and give the user a 2-D or 3-D interactive map of lots of information? Also, I welcome concrete suggestions for approaches to showing higher level charts, graphs, and maps of trees/networks/graphs (since that is what each Brain is).
Jared Updike
TheBrain Technologies
Engineering Team
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Moltaire
I think the place to search is "3d hierarchy" in google. 

Example: http://www2.parc.com/istl/groups/uir/publications/items/UIR-1991-06-Robertson-CHI91-Cone.pdf 
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enkidu
Hello Mr Updike sorry I missed your post.

Does the term "data visualisation" mean nothing to you ?

Here is a powerful (free, Java ;-) ) application example :

http://cytoscape.org/screenshots.html

there are hundreds of apps, of course.
"Search" and "Reports" are quintessentially database concepts. Like I said, TheBrain has a definite database slant, rather than a visualisation slant.
Except that, while there are zillions of DBs, there are darn few visualisation AND "true" mindmapping apps (any-to-any, non hyerarchical).

Note that Cytoscape has many 3rd party plugins, many of which specifically apply statistical techniques to find significant clusters / chunks of data. I would love TheBrain to do this for us. Right now I find it chronically short of its potential.

kind regards
enkidu
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zenrain
Quote: Does the term "data visualisation" mean nothing to you ?

Quick heads up that this would likely be considered a rude response to a native english speaker. Bringing it up as I'm guessing it's a translation issue rather than intentional.
macOS 10.12.5
TheBrain 9.0.207
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enkidu
English is not my native language, but that's not an excuse. Excessive multitasking and reading forums in between meetings was the real cause of my too hasty, and truly rude, response.
My sincerest apologies Mr Updike.

Kind regards
Enkidu
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