pshanks
Since we are kind of locked into V9 & the V9 WebBrain (there is no way to go back to V8) with our data, and there is no other way to share our Brain's knowledge without using WebBrain...
 
There are 2 items that need to resolved A.S.A.P. 
  • Must be able to turn off the Internal Browser on the WebBrain. It causes a lot of problems and confuses the heck out of clients. Also, it breaks some software that we are connecting to. I've turned off the embedded browsers for web links on the desktop as it is one feature I really don't like either. 
  • Must be able to open web links in a new tab by either clicking on the icon on the thought or the URL link in the side panel (No hamburger). This would also include any images or graphics.  
 
Most of the WebBrains that we want to share with users will be read-only!
 
Hopefully this is something that can be done fairly quickly because at this moment I'm at a loss as to how we can share anything within TheBrain. 

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metta
+1 on both requests -- Thanks, Pat!

Would also like to confirm the 2nd request to open web links in a new tab includes both:
> links within notes and
> attachment links (side panel)

Many thanks in advance for your help with this request.
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mcaton
Thanks for posting. There have been a few recent changes in WebBrain for Thoughts with attached web links. Browsers don't allow loading an unsecured (HTTP) URL inside of a page that is secure (HTTPS). So for most web links, you'll see something like this:

Chesapeake Light Craft 
http://www.clcboats.com/boats/sassafras.php?gclid=CKXfveu-55ECFQY8YQodfi7CXg 
Modified: 9/20/2017, 6:03:44 AM 
Created: 8/20/2008, 6:53:20 PM 

Page was not loaded since it is not secure. Click here to open in a new window.

And clicking the hyperlinks will launch the web pages in a new tab.

I believe that web links within notes is a documented request and I will confirm.

Thanks,
Matt
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metta
Thanks, Matt, for letting us know these issues are in the process of being addressed.

Unfortunately, when I just now tested the attached link option to open a new window, no such option appeared.

See screenshot below in which I received a completely different error message -- with no visible link, and no option to open in a new window. (From what I can remember, this error message, below, is the one that should display when I'm logged in, not when I'm logged out.)

Please note that I manually logged out before viewing this error message, so I don't know if this is related to login display glitch or not.

NoOption_ToViewLink_OrOpenInNewWindow.png 
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metta
FWIW, I just now tried Harlan's suggestion of entering the attached URL as https instead of http -- and I still received the same error message.
> The link did not display in the embedded browser and
> I didn't get any option to open the link in a new window.
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metta
Apart from the problems detailed above with getting an attached link to open into a new window from the internal web browser, I do have a larger concern about the internal web browser itself, even when it is working properly in the web client (as illustrated in Matt's screenshot above).

  • First, as Matt indicated, "for most web links" an "insecure" site error message is going to display -- and this, in turn, requires a secondary click to open the URL in a new window.
    • Admittedly, Harlan's suggestion of replacing http in the URL with https will, in some cases, allow some insecure pages to display inside the internal browser, but this work-around does not always work -- and, when it doesn't, it just doesn't feel right to have so many web sites NOT displaying properly within TheBrain.
  • Many non-responsive sites do NOT display properly in the internal browser, even when the URL is secure.
  • As Pat pointed out, it is confusing for many users to have a secondary browser displaying within the main brain window.

In light of this, I feel it is very important for brain owners to have the option of:
> disabling (and completely bypassing) the internal browser in the web client and instead....
> displaying attached links as FULL urls that open in a new window.

I personally believe that displaying FULL urls (that can optionally be renamed) is far preferable to the current tab configuration that is hard to read and not prominently displayed within the web client.

For my own purposes, the URL display options available in TB8 web brain (immediately above the notes) are ideal because they are prominently visible, easy to read and easy to rename.
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pshanks
The goal of this post was to raise concerns about sharing WebBrains as Read-Only.

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  • As Pat pointed out, it is confusing for many users to have a secondary browser displaying within the main brain window.

In light of this, I feel it is very important for brain owners to have the option of:
> disabling (and completely bypassing) the internal browser in the web client and instead....
> displaying attached links as FULL urls that open in a new window.


Completely agree as this is causing our users not to use our Read-Only WebBrains!!!

Quote: I personally believe that displaying FULL urls (that can optionally be renamed) is far preferable to the current tab configuration that is hard to read and not prominently displayed within the web client.

For my own purposes, the URL display options available in TB8 web brain (immediately above the notes) are ideal because they are prominently visible, easy to read and easy to rename.


Please don't convolute this thread as the discussion was about read-only brains, users will not be renaming the URLs, just clicking to open them in a new tab.

Without having the ability to have Read-Only WebBrains, our Brains and knowledge become useless if we can't share them with others.

Now there is a bigger discussion about the interaction of WebBrain if we are talking about maintaining our Brains through the Web. But this needs to be a different discussion.

TheBrain Beta 9.0.249.0, iOS V9.0.4.0, TheBrain 8.0.2.2
Windows 10 (V1709), Windows 7 SP1, OS X V10.13.3
Using The Brain since V3 (1999)

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metta
One more example of another limitation with the embedded browser:
> Here's a secure (https://) link that does NOT display in the embedded browser in either the desktop brain or the web client.
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metta
pshanks wrote:

Please don't convolute this thread as the discussion was about read-only brains, users will not be renaming the URLs, just clicking to open them in a new tab.



No convolution intended, Pat. In the context of renaming URLs, please see my reference to brain "owners" above (not users).

I fully support (and share) your desire to share read-only brains.
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