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Things I lost when migrating V8 to v9
Can you elaborate on `speed`. What do you notice precisely?

thanks

Jim
Impossible to have access to my Brains
Thanks Harlan for the response. Was encouraged to hear that the team will address the problem of accessing TB9 brains without requiring server access. As far as one comment was made as to why it took so long to get to the issue on the weekend, I think that's a little unreasonable - it is the weekend and I wouldn't expect you to be on the forums whilst recharging. However, some sort of critical alert system might be useful for these rare occasions. No doubt as soon as an issue was apparent you guys mobilized rapidly, thanks.

Regarding the new website update, I'm a little concerned that TB8 is no longer supported whilst the main product is still in late beta. I'm probably going continue with TB8 well into next year as it's relatively stable and I use features that aren't yet available in TB9. I get the general move to publicly direct support resources to TB9. Though I do hope there remains some bandwidth to troubleshoot for TB8 laggards as we bring up the rear with transition to TB9!

Thanks

Jim



Impossible to have access to my Brains
Sorry to read the servers are down. As much as I've wanted to make use of webbrain / online brains over the years, I've refrained from that a) because I don't want confidential data which is so concentrated on one external server, and b) I have a healthy scepticism for online systems with mission critical data when connectivity is still not fully robust in 2017.

I have always been relieved that the local client versions of TB8 remained robust and independent, with online brains being an added (and admittedly) useful feature. If TB9 client version is so deeply integrated with the online service that a frag in the cloud disables local access, then I would request the connectivity flow and dependencies be reassessed. At no time can local installations and datasets of TB9 be rendered inoperable because of a server based issue; the client version must remain fully functional without ever having to connect online if the user so chooses.

Case in point, my TB8 megabrain is operating nominally right now, even though the 'Synchronise with TheBrain Cloud Services' dialog box shows I am logged in (though still having 'Never Synced' once after all these years!).

Despite the inconvenience caused today, it's highlighted a valuable issue that should be addressed. Wishing you all a rapid reconnection.

Jim
Harlan Hugh Gives the Scoop on Development of TheBrain 9
The metrics used to evaluate value need to include both cost and benefit. I estimate at least a 2 or 3 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE in cost benefit of deep utility of TB in my operations. I hate to say it, but that even may be an underestimation.

I can agree with the comments posted above but I believe the software is still in beta. This is the one tool I'd happily support at beta stage.

There are some other good mapping tools out there that enable non-linear information mapping, but I think their limitation render them impractical for real world use. I've used TB robustly for over 20 years now with highly effective results.

Jim
Best Practices for Determining Data Loss After Import?
Well, for one, TB8 has a statistics function. Maybe if the identical statistics function can be inserted into TB9, that would be the first point of identification. It's already pretty comprehensive in TB8 and perfect for comparison between TB8 and TB9 conversions (http://forums.thebrain.com/post/statistics-1897420).

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Metta

  1. The Norton quarantine window was front and center on the screen and was very clearly quarantining attachments from the working brain folders.
  2. Good question. I think I'll do another import run isolating my computer from wifi then disabling Norton's paranoid virus scanner. That should provide a 1to1 conversion. I'll then check and compare a few hundred thoughts randomly over a few days to ensure attachments, notes and properties are all in place.

Since the conversion took about 48 hours, I'll run that over the weekend and then do testing over the next couple of weeks.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Megabrain converted to TB9!

Looks a little slow and maybe some attachments zapped thanks to Norton (not a TB issue at all). Will start running and testing this conversion and note any observations.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
At risk of speaking to soon, after 30 hours the conversion from TB8 to TB9 appears to be proceeding smoothly. Although it's taking a long time, long paths do not seem to be a problem (I'll check resultant files of course) and the process hasn't stalled for any other reason.

Nothing to do with TB, my Norton 360 quarantined about 2,000 files under it's 'suspicious / not enough users' heuristic. When I go through this process for real rather than test migration, I'll isolate from the network and suspend Norton.

Thank you team for rapidly addressing the issues solved in 9.0.224.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Can I confirm with support that the ability for TB9 to real long path file addressed is being tackled?

Thanks.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
I think it's possible that there may be an issue, though I'm no expert on it. If you're on Windows 7, I would personally consider upgrading to Windows 10 first in anticipation of addressing the problem head on. Without specifics, I believe the probability is signifiant that you will run into the problem with Windows 7, but be less able to address it.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Agreed Metta. Though I'm not sure these third party tools themselves are particularly helpful if one needs the long paths intact in the brain directoty structure. TB9 has to be able to handle the long path with the API directly (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247(v=vs.85).aspx).

With the increasing complexity of embedded file structures, it is critical that TB9 can handle this basic requirement as nested file structures within a thought are a reality.

I'm sure the team will solve it since Microsoft has provided the solution now in Windows 10 for applications to utilize. My understanding is that a TB9 brain with long path names in the file structure would not be usable on legacy windows operating systems prior to Windows 10. That would be the trade off. However, anyone using Windows 10 is extremely unlikely to open their TB9 on a prior OS. Whether there is an irreversible toggle in preferences or it's hard coded, this needs to be included to ensure TB9 is futureproof.

I rant in eager anticipation!

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
There are some like Long Path Tool (https://longpathtool.com/). However, the real issue is to ensure that TB9 can handle super long paths effectively as this has been solved in Windows 10 at least to 32,000 characters length.
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Attempted the conversion but another error crashed the process. It does seem that the directory location was able to be changed successfully in options so that piece appears to work, assuming the current error is something else. Have emailed the error logs to support.

Jim
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
First thing I noticed was after changing the default working directory for import and sync, the TB9 goes through a restart. However, the restart process hangs and had to be killed from task manager. On restarting, the new working directory seems to be correctly recorded.
Brain Constrain (Problem importing very large V8 Brain) (#4283)
Will do Harlan, many thanks for the update!

best

Jim
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