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When dragging url's from IE7.0.5730.11 into PB4081 quite frequently the thought name changes back to webpage title or the '>' symbol or additional text appears at the start.

Having said that, the function appears to be working well most of the time


PB4081
Java 1.6.0 (build 1.6.0_02-b06)
OS XP2002 SP2


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Harlan
can you post the urls you have had trouble with? I suspect this is a page specific problem. Thanks
Regards,
-Harlan
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pshanks
Here are some

http://www.amazon.com

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca

http://www.apple.com

http://www.ibm.com

http://www.nba.com

http://www.mbl.com

http://www.nbc.com

http://www.cbs.com

Could you explain how the thought name/label name is generated?

 
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Spacenexus
Will add to this list as they occur:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/15/103358/720

http://www.xvivo.net/
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Harlan
We've fixed most of the examples provided so far for the 4.1 beta release. PB has to parse the title of the page and look for common patterns in order to know where split the label versus the title, so this is not an exact science - it will improve as we get more feedback and examples.
Regards,
-Harlan
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pshanks
Hi Harlan,

PB-V4.1.0.0
Java-1.6.0_02

I'm still trying to understand how the drag/drop of URL are working and how they are being parsed.

(From the V4.1.0.0 release notes - Improved parsing of Web page titles to separate the main title and the label)

Our original concept (with diagram) was posted here:
http://forums.thebrain.com/tool/post/thebrain/vpost?id=1884536

With that concept we discussed there should be no need to do any parsing as there are only 2 elements
1) URL
2) Web Page Title

So the
URL would become the thought
Web Page Tile would become the Label for that thought

I've attached a screenshot of what I'm seeing for the URL listed above using PB-V4.1.0.0

Thanks,
-- Pat

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Harlan
Hi Pat,

We looked at several different ways of breaking down web pages and decided that the best way to handle it for most cases would be to parse the page title. The approach originally suggested was a great idea in terms of taking utilizing the thought label and shortening the thought name. However, if we did exactly what was suggested every pages from a domain would all have the same name. For example, every page from Yahoo would be called "yahoo.com" and every page from Amazon would be called "amazon.com". So, if you were dragging in books and DVDs from amazon, they'd all have the same thought name... This would be a problem particularly when using instant activate.

The way it works now, it analyzes the page title and tries to find common patterns used for separating the main title from the "extras" that are typically tacked on.

Regards,
-Harlan
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pshanks
I can see your point Harlan.

I was hoping that the actual (full) URL/URI would be used as the thought name and the page title would become the thought label.

http://www.amazon.com for the main webpage.
http://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workweek-Escape-Live-Anywhere/dp/0307353133 for an actual page within in amazon.

Now when you start using the possible protocols (URL) that a browser supports (http:, ftp:, file: etc.) follow by the URN (http://www.amazon.com)  things could get very wild.

I think it's going to be a challenge to parse the title of the page and look for common patterns, but good luck with that.

Hopefully one day that part of the brain is opened up through an API so we can have our thought/labels from a web browser the way we want or the way we think.

Thanks,
-- Pat


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JosefBetancourt
Another example of thought title issue:   http://worldlibrary.net/index.htm

This was created as <HEAD><TITLE>World Public Library Association
Perhaps your algorithm should filter out standard HTML tags?

Musing:
1. How about just offering the user (an advanced option) a drop down list of suggested names.  The list is generated using installable parse themes or API.   Example,  page title and url contain:   x:y - z   then the list would be:
  • x:y - Z
  • x
  • y
  • y - z
2.  As in PB3 let the user edit the thought name right away.

3.  Perhaps its should present a list as in (1) but also somehow allow user to select multiple options, to create a name based on selections from parsing and ordering based on clicks.

--- Josef



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grave
Page title like: "evil.che.lu - No more IE6 background flicker" (http://evil.che.lu/2006/9/25/no-more-ie6-background-flicker) become in PB4.1.0.1 thought name "evil.che.lu" and it's label "No more IE6 background flicker". But it needed be vice versa:
Thought name "No more IE6 background flicker"
Thought label "evil.che.lu"

It's only one example, but not singularity



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Harlan
Yes, it would be nice to have the option to select from the possible breakdowns. One  other idea we have been toying with is a button that lets you switch the label and the name.
Regards,
-Harlan
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JosefBetancourt
I like that idea.  I just had an occurrence of this.  I dragged a blog entry and created a thought, and got something like:
  name:  X's blog
  label:    Ten reasons to ...

Clearly these should be reversed.

-- Josef




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