Cxiym

For the moment, it seems like users can only connect selections/groups of thoughts with individual thoughts, but not with a secondary selection/group of thoughts as children/parents/jumps of all of them at the same time.

 I would like to request a new type of in-built thought that could be created in/added to the the pin area, which I could see functioning as a sort of ‘pin board’ 

 The main idea is to enhance/allow connectivity between groups of thoughts and other groups of thoughts.

 This ‘pin board’ would act as a representative for all its children.

 When you link to a pin board, or from it, you don’t actually link to/from the thought itself, but all its children that it represents.

 To add thoughts to these ‘pin boards’, users could perhaps select a single thought/group of thoughts, and then right click from the selection box and ‘add’ them to these ‘pin boards’ within a list. 

 Removing thoughts from a pin board could be done as if they were normal thoughts

 As they cannot be normally linked anywhere else, like a normal thought, ‘Pin boards’ would have to be created within the pin area itself, with a ‘create pin board’ option.

 Perhaps a ‘+’ button at the left hand corner of the pin area that allows you to create/name a new pin board? 

 Deleting it could be as simple as right clicking and selecting ‘delete pin board’ without compromising the thoughts within it.

 This would also allow connections in between pin boards in the pin section, allowing easy connections between mass groups of thoughts.

 

 A secondary feature I could see coming in handy to enhance the existing pin system, is by having ‘pin boards’ or any thoughts that are pinned expand into a secondary window with a defined boundary, showing all their child thoughts, when you hover the mouse pointer over them.

 This secondary expanded window will be overlaid directly on top of the brain’s interface (with a size depending on the number of child thoughts within the 'master' thought or it could be sizeable) which will allow users to link to or from any of the individual thoughts within the expanded window.

 The window would remain expanded until you either click on any of the thought gates within it to make a link, or move the cursor out of the defined boundary, whereupon it would collapse back into the master thought.

 
Anything along these lines would be amazing. 

Thanks!

 
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mcaton
Sean,

Thank you for posting.  I'll document your feature requests for further review from the design team.

Thank you,
Matt
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mcaton
Sean,

Upon re-reading your post, I realized that our new Brain Tabs feature does address your 2nd request.  Opening the same Brain in a new tab (or even dragging into a new window) will allow you to see 2 different views of the same Brain at the same time.

We do have an existing feature request to right click on a thought and select Open Thought in New Tab...

Thank you,
Matt
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perry
It's taken me a little to get my head around this idea... 

The 2nd part is very similar to CTRL Clicking on a gate and all the thoughts (Child / Jump / Parent) are selected into a new window / panel. Not exactly the same, but similar display...

Other questions that came to mind:

Is there a reason that you couldn't tweak existing functionality without adding a whole raft of new stuff? For example, I couldn't see why you couldn't have a system Thought Type that functioned in this way within the existing functionality of Parents and Children? So to add Thoughts to the 'Pin Board' you'd add it as a Child Thought. That would make display much easier in the current framework.

Also, you'd have the choice of Pinning it or not.

In my mind it seemed like 'Pin Boards' functioned like a shortcut to its Child Thoughts. If it's a temporary assignment, would multi-selection work as well? If it's a permanent assignment, what are the advantages over creating them as Children? I'm not sure I can see a use case (as it's easy to multi-select through the gate)?
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Cxiym

Thanks for replying guys, 

 Perry, the idea of having pin boards as an in built 'system thought type' is a great idea. It hadn’t occurred to me that to add/remove thoughts to it, users could simply switch the thought type. Perhaps they could be called 'placeholders' or something. Thanks!

 For these ‘placeholders’, they would allow direct connections between two groups of thoughts, say, with two pin boards, instead of just group to individual, which unless I’m mistaken, seems to be all we have at the moment.

 For example, I can select 10 thoughts and link them as parents/children/jumps of the activated thought, but not as parents/children/jumps of all the children of the activated thought at the same time. 


 

 As for my secondary request, allow me to elaborate. The focus is on enhancing the existing pin system. At the moment there are about 30 thoughts or so that I link to regularly. However it doesn’t seem practical to have them all as pins, as I cant see them all clearly.

 The primary advantage of this 'expandable pin' system I’m proposing, as expandable/collapsible 'windows within the window' (Window-ception), if you will, and the reason they aren’t the same as new tabs or windows, (which are great additions i cant wait to use!) is that they automatically expand when you hover over their 'master pins' without having to click on them, allowing easy access to all the thoughts contained within, as well as their gates.

 Users would be able to click and drag the current activated thought to any of the gates of any of those thoughts in the ‘expanded window’, just like a normal pin.

 This would effectively expand the 'pin area' to accommodate up to or more than 100 pins that can all be easily identified and linked to, say, if you had 10 ‘master pins’ pinned, that expanded into ten child thoughts within each one.

 This could be an option, like 'enable expanded pins'

 My hope is that this would reduce a lot of typing and clicks. I could see this working hand in hand with the new tab/windows system, to supercharge productivity and interconnectivity even further, all without needing to leave the main window. 

 And if each new tab/window could have their own set of pins that would be even better...

 On the other hand, I may have missed something incredibly obvious, and if so, I apologise in advance. 

 
Thanks again.

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perry
Cxiym wrote:

For these ‘placeholders’, they would allow direct connections between two groups of thoughts, say, with two pin boards, instead of just group to individual, which unless I’m mistaken, seems to be all we have at the moment.

For example, I can select 10 thoughts and link them as parents/children/jumps of the activated thought, but not as parents/children/jumps of all the children of the activated thought at the same time. 



So, does that mean there is an actual link between any of the Thoughts? eg: when you create the links between the 10 thoughts in one group with another 10 thoughts in another group the links would be real, so if you viewed one of the Thoughts individually, you'd see its 10 links?

I'm still wondering what a use case would be? Do you see it as a permanent grouping or temporary whilst creating a structure?


Cxiym wrote:

The primary advantage of this 'expandable pin' system I’m proposing, as expandable/collapsible 'windows within the window' (Window-ception), if you will, and the reason they aren’t the same as new tabs or windows, (which are great additions i cant wait to use!) is that they automatically expand when you hover over their 'master pins' without having to click on them, allowing easy access to all the thoughts contained within, as well as their gates.

Users would be able to click and drag the current activated thought to any of the gates of any of those thoughts in the ‘expanded window’, just like a normal pin.



So the outcome would be the same as adding a Thought via F6/7/8 and searching for the required Thought? ...a bit like having a graphical version?

I did wonder about Grouping of Thoughts by things like Type, Tag, Date Part, etc... which is not dissimilar to your Expandable Pins, in the sense that they're both groups of Thoughts (although your 'Expandable Pins' are user defined, rather than driven by meta data).

I do like the concept of having expandable / collapsible groups (like in the MindMap View), as I think it'd make using complex maps easier without having to refactor them permanently: so maybe there is a call for Expandable Thoughts (that can be Pinned)... although I think that only makes sense in an Expanded or MindMap View.

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Cxiym

perry wrote:
So, does that mean there is an actual link between any of the Thoughts? eg: when you create the links between the 10 thoughts in one group with another 10 thoughts in another group the links would be real, so if you viewed one of the Thoughts individually, you'd see its 10 links?

 I'm still wondering what a use case would be? Do you see it as a permanent grouping or temporary whilst creating a structure?

 Yeah, there would be an actual link between thoughts. 

 I often find myself creating a whole group of thoughts, and then wanting to link all of them as children of another group of thoughts.

 I could see myself having a few ‘permanent’ placeholder thoughts, containing specific groups of thoughts I often link to all at once, and creating ‘temporary’ placeholders to link groups of new thoughts to these ‘permanent’ ones that I use often. Or there would be just one ‘temporary’ one, which I use consistently, and unlink all its children when I’m done with a transfer.

 So I guess for me it would be a mix.

 

perry wrote:
So the outcome would be the same as adding a Thought via F6/7/8 and searching for the required Thought? ...a bit like having a graphical version?

 I did wonder about Grouping of Thoughts by things like Type, Tag, Date Part, etc... which is not dissimilar to your Expandable Pins, in the sense that they're both groups of Thoughts (although your 'Expandable Pins' are user defined, rather than driven by meta data).

 I do like the concept of having expandable / collapsible groups (like in the MindMap View), as I think it'd make using complex maps easier without having to refactor them permanently: so maybe there is a call for Expandable Thoughts (that can be Pinned)... although I think that only makes sense in an Expanded or MindMap View.

 Yeah, it would be the same outcome, except it saves time getting there, especially to thoughts I link to often, as they would all be up in the ‘pin area’ which now just holds a whole lot more pins than what is currently practical. So less thinking, less typing.

 Also, if I hover over the expanded pins, it might visually suggest to me connective possibilities that I might not have as easily considered otherwise.

 It would basically be just like the existing pin system, but better, so I could still see it being useful in Normal View, as long as you use pins, but even if you don’t, it’s good to know someone else has another use for it.

 Regardless of whether it comes in the form of expandable thoughts/groups which can be pinned, or as an optional feature of the pin area itself, it just would be great to have a larger selection of pins accessible.

 

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perry
There is also this request: documented-feature-request-search-for-existing-thoughts-also-when-insertingadding-multiple-thoughts-at-once which would make using the keyboard to achieve this much quicker.
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zenrain
Cxiym, I don't think this something I've run into having issues with on my workflow, so I can't really speak to the request.

One thing I will mention, which isn't a resolution but may help, is you can set up a tag(or tags) and assign your frequent linked thoughts to that (I myself have a tag called frequent [smile]).

You can pin this tag, and then ctrl + click the tag (in the pinned thought section, tested in both V8 and V9) to select all it's child thoughts. Then you can right click the selection and choose to link as parent (or child or jump). 
It's not quite as quick as having one thought serve as a placeholder to many, but it may speed up your current workflow, or give you some ideas on the possibilities.
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korm
What's the difference between this "pinboard" and the existing B8 and B9 feature: make a selection of whatever you want to select, and then from the contextual menu Set Selection Tags > New Tag  (or choose an existing tag)?  If you want to pin the tag, then search for it and pin it.  If you're tired of the selection, forget the tag.
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Cxiym

perry wrote:
There is also this request: documented-feature-request-search-for-existing-thoughts-also-when-insertingadding-multiple-thoughts-at-once which would make using the keyboard to achieve this much quicker.

 I’m not sure if I completely understood the last part about copy/pasting lists of thoughts, but everything else does sound pretty useful, and I hope it gets implemented. Not quite the same thing, though.

 

zenrain wrote:
Cxiym, I don't think this something I've run into having issues with on my workflow, so I can't really speak to the request.

 One thing I will mention, which isn't a resolution but may help, is you can set up a tag(or tags) and assign your frequent linked thoughts to that (I myself have a tag called frequent [smile]).

 You can pin this tag, and then ctrl + click the tag (in the pinned thought section, tested in both V8 and V9) to select all it's child thoughts. Then you can right click the selection and choose to link as parent (or child or jump). 

It's not quite as quick as having one thought serve as a placeholder to many, but it may speed up your current workflow, or give you some ideas on the possibilities.

 I actually already do something like that, but I appreciate the….”thought”, anyway. Thanks.

 

korm wrote:
What's the difference between this "pinboard" and the existing B8 and B9 feature: make a selection of whatever you want to select, and then from the contextual menu Set Selection Tags > New Tag  (or choose an existing tag)?  If you want to pin the tag, then search for it and pin it.  If you're tired of the selection, forget the tag.

 That would allow me to set a ‘placeholder’ for a group of thoughts, but it doesn’t allow for connections between placeholders.

 
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