Rus

Some years ago when PB was launched I wanted to create something online that I could use somewhat like a book. I made the layout I had in mind and tried some things, but could not get it done and almost forgot about the idea.
Now with the latest PB-versions (mine is PB 4.5.2.1 Pro) I am curious again to give it another try, because the topic still interests me: a dynamic PB-web site about some philosophy subjects.

I would be really glad if some of you could give me a clue as to whether or not this lay-out and linking can be produced with a dynamic brain, instead of with the dumb copied screens I used now. Can the plex on the left page link to the content on the right page and can this content have tabbed sub page. I have tried some things, but don't understand how it can be done.

Here is what I have in mind: Test Brain.  Can it be done?? And if so: how??
Already many thanks for any help.

Rus

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Rus
It seems about 50 forum users already looked at my problem but not one of you saw a solution. I really would have liked to continue this project but it seems also the latest version of PB is not flexible enough to display the plex within a web site in the way I hoped would be possible.

A bridge too far, it seems.
I hope in the future a new version of PB will be launched that is able to export or upload a brain so I can build what I have in mind.

Thanks for all the attention anyway!
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zenrain
No, sorry, I haven't thought of a way to do what you are asking. The side-by-side display MAY be possible, but as far as sub-tabs, I'm drawing a blank.
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dyslucksia
I may be wrong about this, but I have a theory about why PB's layout has evolved in the way it has, that explains your problem.

One of my first impressions on trying out PB many versions ago was, how inefficient the default layout is, with Notes, Properties and all the other Tools spread out along the bottom of the window. Notes works best in portrait, not landscape, view, as it is in most other applications. PB's default layout makes it impossible to view more than a few lines of Notes without raising the horizontal border between Tools and Plex, and also results in a lot of wasted whitespace to the right of text lines. Why did they choose to do it this way?

Now I think the real answer is PB's insistence on single-line Thought names when other applications have long since gone multi-line. That plus the absence of any interlacing of names means that one really does need the full width of the screen to view Thought names that are always side-by-side, in order to avoid ugly truncation. (That was before Expanded and Outline View, where you can drag the plex sideways if you wish). If you need the full width of the screen (particularly in earlier days of smaller CRT monitors) then the only place left for Notes and Tools is above or below the Plex. Maybe there's some compelling reason to keep it that way that we don't know about.

Anything less than full-width and the number of Thoughts that can fit onto the Past Thoughts and Pinned Thoughts lists is drastically reduced, due to their end-to-end display. That would not impress potential users.

It's much easier to take in a vertical list than one whose items are arranged end-to-end horizontally, perhaps because of the power of whitespace as a delimiter. Even the two- or four- column Normal View layout is a bit difficult to read sometimes, so I'm very grateful for Outline View in these circumstances.

Applying this full-width layout to Web pages may have got Brains onto the Net, but here they have to compete with a growing number of similar applications to whom side-by-side panes have never presented a problem. We can only hope that in time the flexible layout that we enjoy in our own personal Brains will also find its way out there.

PB 5.5.2.1 on Windows XP, J-1.6.0_17
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Rus
@zenrain
I would just for a start also be happy if I could get this side-by-side layout working. Maybe some Javascript wizzard can then help me with the tabs..

@dyslucksia
Maybe you're right but I have too little know-how about this technical thing.
The last time when PB-release 4 was launched I entered into a discussion and participated in a webinar. Ppl at TheBrain gave me the impression it could be done with the Pro-version so I upgraded. But I was left with the same problem, an expensive disappointment and I quit using PB and put the project on the shelf.

What I have always wondered about was why no one from TheBrain actually gave a clear message that my plan was not possible. It would have saved me a lot of time. Every PR-law says that bringing bad news in a clear way is much better for your customer relation then to leave somebody in the dark. But I guess IT-folk are a different breed then publicity guys&girls ;-)
Still I miss their answer, because I always think that at least one of them must have a look at the forummessages once in a while and know that this can or can't be done.

I moved this topic once (or better restarted it) in this forum.
Would it be better to do this again and put it in the SiteBrain or WebBrain section? Anything that would help ...


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Darkstar

They probably meant you could do that in the BrainSDK or the BrainEKP packages, but were not very clear on that, and hence, your disappoinment with PB Pro. With BrainSDK, you can leverage their technology for your own personal applications (if I understand it correctly), and with BrainEKP, you can build one serious data browsing/manipulation client-server system.

-Darkstar
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dyslucksia
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Every PR-law says that bringing bad news in a clear way is much better for your customer relation then to leave somebody in the dark.


I wish they'd hire you.

I don't think there's anything that can't be done, it's simply a cost-benefit thing, leading to priorities. If one of their head honchos decided that it was imperative to make the side-by-side option available in WebBrains or SiteBrains, I bet you'd get it very soon. But as I see it, PB's inability to deal with long Thought names except to truncate them explains a lot of its subsequent design.
PB 5.5.2.1 on Windows XP, J-1.6.0_17
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Rus
@darkstar
BrainSDK & BrainEKP is corporate stuff. Can't afford these mega investments I regret. I'm just a person wanting to do some writing with an alternative tool. But if you are right - as i fear- it still would be nice if someone for TB could be a little bit more straightforward about what PB can't do.
But maybe the truncate thing dyslucksia is suggesting has something to do with it. I don't know. I'm not that technical.

What really is a bit cynical ... Yesterday I got this commercial PB-mail:
"We noticed that you are still using PersonalBrain 4 and wanted to let you know that PersonalBrain 5.5 was just released. 5.5 is an exciting new update with even more powerful features for PersonalBrain 5 users."
 
Come on!! So much for a personal treatment ...
At least I'm sure the system that sent me this text isn't monitoring this forum ;-)
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Darkstar

I got a similar email, and I was a beta tester for 5.5, so don't take it personal.

-Darkstar
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Harlan

Yes, a side by side layout can be done. I even wrote a blog entry about this back in August: http://blog.thebrain.com/webbbrain-site-navigation/

Regards,
-Harlan
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Rus

Had to leave the project for a while, but am very interested in your blog entry. If this works within my layout it would be great. I sure will give it a try. Thanks for the advice anyway and I'll post the result.

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Rus
@Harlan or other WebBrain specialists:

Seems I'm still do something wrong. I followed all the instructions in the blog except that tha page layout of my site is done with table elements.
So I put the navigating brain in one table cell on the right side and the iFrame with the content in another on the left side.
For the moment I cannot get the brain to appear.
The testpage I made is here: http://www.b-u-t.info/braintest/-General-1.html

Does anyone have a clue what's still wrong??


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